>> don't tax me. tax the guy behind the tree. that's what we're faced with. everybody wants to pay lower taxes and get more services if you're in defense, you say, we need the money. if you're in agriculture, you see we need subsidized crop insurance. where does it end? in montana, we've had eight years of -- they're not willing to do that in washington, d.c. they just kick the can down the road. >> what does it mean in terms of federal aid or reduction in federal aid if we go over the fiscal cliff and even if we don't go over the cliff, and they come up with a bandaid, you risk losing more federal aid down the road, don't you? >> no question about you. we're a rural state. montana is the size of pefl r. -- pennsylvania, new york. there are federal dollars that pay for maintaining those highways. you can't have a million people pay for all those highways because it connects the entire country. you have forest service, 30% of the land is owned by the federal government. so there's a lot of federal dollars that come to montana. that's part of the system. >> wha